You Asked, I Answered

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I know I just did a You Asked, I Answered segment, but this question was one that I think a lot of people should hear the answer to, as there is so much myth and, as Alan Aragon likes to call it, broscience, that people blindly follow without actually looking at the evidence.

Q. My question is, “what is the best meal or drink before and after exercise?” It seems everyone’s opinon is different. I thought for a long time sugars have no value, but now, I hear they are good for recovery and energy. I make sure to ingest plenty of them in pre and post workout drinks. Mostly I use Gatorade and protein powder, I recently started to add the Cytosport  performance drink. I like to eat pineapple too, after my workout. Maybe that is not the best time for fruits, but I fell better with it. I think what I do works, but it would be great to hear your advice, if you have the time to do so. Thank you Brian.

A. Well I will start this off by saying that this is an excellent question, and it really all depends on many factors, like all things in nutrition the answer is very context dependent.

There is no one “best”, what might be perfect for me would not necessarily be perfect for an endurance athlete, or someone who is allergic to something I am not. It is all about what works for you, end of story.

Having said that, in my opinion sugars still have very little place pre & post training. They are ok and certainly work, but I would definitely not call them best. For the vast majority of the population* I think people would be much better off with high-quality carbs that offer much more than just glucose; vitamins, minerals, fiber, antioxidants, phytonutrients, etc. Why take in your biggest carb servings of the day from sources that provide you nothing beyond their carb content?

The goal of the peri-training time period is to maintain hydration, fuel upcoming training session, boost training performance, recover from completed training session, increase muscle protein synthesis, decrease muscle protein breakdown, and spare and restore muscle and liver glycogen.

Why would simple and nutritionally empty sugars accomplish this any more effectively than quality carbs? Answer – they don’t.

Research is pretty clear that a blend of glucose and fructose, from low-moderate GI sources, can be just as effective, if not more so. This blend is more readily oxidized as fuel, better tolerated by the gut, maintains and restores liver glycogen more effectively, maintains and restores muscle glycogen equally as effectively, and may improve next day performance more effectively.

It only takes minimal insulin elevations, 2-3 times above baseline, to maximally inhibit muscle protein breakdown, and this is easily accomplished by a mixed pre-training meal. No simple sugars needed. A quality mixed post-training meal will also keep it elevated to that point for up to 5 hours after as well, so again, no need for tons of simple sugars and huge insulin spikes.

People will also champion faster proteins like whey and casein hydrolysate, to “get to the muscles faster”. Well whey hydrolysate has been shown to be too transient in the bloodstream, being in and out too quickly to maximize anabolism, and casein hydrolysate has been shown to be preferentially taken up by the splanchnic tissues, so unless you want jacked organs it isn’t the way to go either.

For the most part any high quality protein will do, though if you want liquid nutrition a combination of a quality whey protein with some casein, like from grass-fed dairy (whole milk, yogurt, etc) would work well.

Yes I said whole-fat. Research has also shown that post-training fat consumption does not blunt glycogen replenishment, and may actually increase net protein balance, potentially making you more jacked.

Finally comes timing. Many meatheads will tell you to down that post-training shake immediately, and I mean immediately, after you are done training. Is this necessary? I would say no, especially if your pre-training nutrition, which is equally important if not more so, was spot on. Waiting an hour to have your post-training shake or meal won’t make a bit of difference.

I hope that covered just about all the angles and convinces you that as usual real food is the answer.

* – the only exception might be endurance athletes who have multiple glycogen depleting session within 8 hours of each other.

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Posted on September 10th, 2010 by Brian St. Pierre

24 Comments

  1. Dush Says:

    Interesting info, I’ve always been of the idea that fat consumption blunts an insulin spike. But my only source has been random forums. Could you give a link to that study?

    I always have smoothies and grape juice pre/during/post work out. Can’t get a much better source of carbs than that!

  2. Jeff Brewster Says:

    Brian,

    This comes strictly from th anecdotal file, but I recall listening to bodybuilding coach Scott Abel mention that he has always been a proponent of using whole foods around workouts (my apologies to him if I somehow misinterpreted what I was hearing). So for all those guys who are primarily focused on size and strength, this would seem to be more ammunition for the contention that liquid nutrition is anything but necessary (and possibly even inferior for the reasons you hit upon pertaining to its being void of much micronutrition. When one of the best in the muscle-building business says whole foods are the way to go, that says something.

    So other than the example you presented pertaining to endurance athletes training or competing twice per day (and possibly for other types of athletes engaged in two-a-day sessions, depending upon the nature of each session), I see no reason why liquid nutrition would be needed to optimize results. Of course for those who tolerate it, a quality whey or whey/casein blend + some fruit and quality fats would be in the mix, too, but it seems like high time that the mask was pulled off of the glucose, maltodextrin crowd.

    As for potential positive effects of some post-training fat on net protein balance, would this possibly have anything to do with slowing gastric emptying enough so that the body ends up utilizing more (and oxidizing less) of the amino acids from the protein ingested?

  3. hooch turner Says:

    This is a very interesting post. Once I finish off my tubs of serge and serge workout, it’s back to basics. I don’t want jacked organs.
    I eat a lot of dried fruit (dates, raisins, prunes and sultanas) as a carbohydrate source, and to satisfy my sweet tooth. Does anyone think that this might be a foolish move because of the relatively high quantities of concentrated fructose they contain?

  4. Cory Says:

    This article is a big help to me, it cleared up a lot of confusion I had. There is so much hype over consuming the high glycemic carbohydrates and no fat, but I know now, there is no reason to buy into these methods. I can eat the way I prefer to eat and I feel great about that.

  5. Brian St. Pierre Says:

    Jeff,

    It is possible. The authors were unsure of the mechanisms behind it, but that is one possible explanation.

    Hooch,

    It shouldn’t be a problem at all, I myself am a big fan of dried fruit. Just keep the serving sizes and daily intake reasonable and you will be just fine.

    The concern over high fructose consumption is really more of a problem in a hypercaloric state and with very large amounts of fructose, most likely more than you are getting from fruit.

  6. Brian St. Pierre Says:

    Dush,

    Fat consumption usually does decrease the spike in insulin, but that is rather irrelevant really. As I noted it is not necessary to jack up insulin tremendously to maximize its benefits.

    As for studies that point to this, see below:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7665416
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16679981

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    I like banana’s/prunes with whey protein before my workout.

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